📌 屌白水單嘢睇到我好嬲
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屌白水單嘢睇到我好嬲。
men: why are men expected to be strong? why are our emotions less validated?
me: and👏who👏set👏up👏 that👏system??
historically women have been considered more ‘emotional’ and men have been considered ‘stronger’ and more ‘rational’ because IT BENEFITS THEM. it justifies why men can be doctors, lawyers, professors, when women can’t.
nowadays, with an increased awareness on mental health, this notion harms men as it is less socially acceptable for them to openly talk about emotions, feelings etc.
but instead of acknowledging why this is the case now they’re saying ‘women have it easy’
men’s feelings are less validated BECAUSE OF THE PATRIARCHY and that’s what白水is trying to say
and under the patriarchy women, in general, do not have it easier. maybe it’s easier for them to open up about mental health, but in almost every other aspect, including safety and security, it’s much harder
I genuinely don’t understand what all this discourse is about. 白水 was just pointing out the underlying cause of the ‘male loneliness epidemic’ and saying women don’t have it easier in general, which op, by saying 「多一根苦一生」is implying.
all that being said I do think ‘who set up that system’ isn’t a particularly good argument because it does ignore a lot of other underlying societal issues which intersect with patriarchy (like racism and classism)
but that’s a whole new can of beans I don’t want to open up because a) hkers are not ready for that conversation and b) I need to revise
so why can women say ‘men have it easier in life’?
because it’s a correct generalisation.
men are never looked down on/ downplayed because of their gender (though they might be judged for not fitting into gender stereotypes).
men rarely have to be scared of going out alone at night because they have a much lower risk of getting sexually assaulted.
getting insulted because you’re ‘weak’ is NOTHING in comparison with getting sexually assaulted, where your LIFE is at risk.
and what about countries like afghanistan, where women aren’t allowed to go outside on their own?
even if you insist that women and men are equal in developed countries, on average, globally, men do, in fact, have it easier than women.
saying women have it easier than men is harmful and irresponsible and it invalidates the dangers women face on a day to day basis
反而覺得有個ching講得好啱，男性女性應該一齊合作解決彼此係父權社會下的困境，搞性別對立只會令問題惡化。
依個post又係幫'men'掛上原罪，推動父權的'men'同而家處於困境的'men'係同一班人嗎？佢地要幫其他'men'做的嘢負責嗎？
寧願大家開放討論下不同性別受影響下遇到的困境，再一齊去合理解決依啲問題。
識英文/唔介意yapping 嘅睇呢度 有長啲嘅解釋
（and this is why I don’t engage in hk discourse; it’s literally people arguing about basic woke takes
成個論述已經有曬前設「父權存在且為事實」，之後自己循環論證冇意義架喎
依家爭議係「父權」本身嘅定義已經有問題。現代社會所謂父權係源自歷史，因為傳統社會需要勞動力同暴力去維繫同發展社會，所以帶來資源嘅男性自己容易成為資源掌控者同擁有權力。
但佢係一個資源同權力集中係少數人嘅結構，因為歷史中男性係生理學上有統計優勢所以慢慢得到權力，唔係話純粹有男人夾硬將資源集中係「男性」身上。依點淨係男性自己嘅收入比例同高危但高薪職業佔比已經足夠證偽。
淨係假設男性同「父權」有直接因果已經錯曬，所以白水所謂男性自己造就父權直頭係無知嘅言論，大部分掌權者係男人，不代表男人就係掌權者，咁基本嘅邏輯都錯點會唔比人笑🤷🏻♂️
之前都有人raise過類似嘅point而我同意嘅
其實呢個statement的確係唔夠nuanced
睇返我個pinned comment，其實要歸根究底搵出父權嘅root cause唔係咁易，牽涉到階級觀念、種族歧視等等，並非純粹因生理學上嘅優勢所致。
咁然而我哋可以同意，男性唔少情緒上嘅困境的確源自於父權，而呢樣嘢證實咗父權依然存在。正正因為咁，我哋要爭取平權，亦即係女權嘅中心思想。而家有唔少男人女支持女權，又叫女權做「女拳」，而呢啲人其實間接enable緊父權。嗰啲人就係我個statement嘅target audience。
絕大部份人說情感困境源於父權，我自己對這個看法有所保留
歷史及文學上，都記載過往男性可以直白宣洩情感的，難道以前不是父權時代？所以到底何時男性變得抑壓？
是啟蒙運動開始。啟蒙運動確立理性主義，定立了「男性=理性、女性=感性」的二元論，接著工業革命爆發，維多利亞時代的強盛，讓當中很多文化及觀念輻射全世界，例如當時「肌肉基督教」推崇基督教精神結合剛猛，YMCA在美國催生了運動競技的誕生，紳士文化推崇自我克制、情緒壓抑視為男性象徵。諸如此類還有資本主義及消費主義當中扮演的角色，我不想寫論文就不詳述了
將一切問題歸於父權是很簡單，但實際上這是一連串的歷史因素造成，比起「打倒父權」的說法，我更傾向細拆這個問題，明暸根源，才能更好解決問題
Do we (men in 2026) set up this system?
Does every man speak up to support this system?
you’re right, they don’t
but many (not all obviously) uphold it as men benefit from this system
that’s why feminism is still needed in this day and age- to break gender stereotypes (that harm both genders). yet men are out here complaining about「女拳」 which is, in a way, supporting the patriarchal system that is still prevalent in society.
also, ‘if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor’- Desmond Tutu. not speaking up = silently agreeing
why am I responsible for what I have never done？
錯撚曬 唔識就返去睇返Feminism 入門先
父權從來都唔係男人單向建構
i invented that system bro😂✌️shd u have any enquiries just ask me
Basically gaslighting n victim blaming
rando hs gcser > yellow right males who cant read
專心考 icgse
上大學take啲crtical thing course
我覺得你會明多啲
"Men rarely have to be scared of going out alone at night" Is this just your assumption? This is the worst bigotry you feminists held. I grew up in public housing where gangs were prevalent. I always felt uneasy walking alone even at daytime. I had several childhood friends got harrassed and slapped just because they took a look at them. A male friend even got dragged into public toilet, stripped naked and beaten by a group of teenager gang because he had a quarrel with them.
Not any living men anyway.
Its not about who set up the system 💀 u totally missed the point here
反正有咩睇唔順眼自動變成part of system
比如人地好地地睇二次元紙公仔一句「男性凝視」就想ban鳩or改變人地喜好
父權定義同共產黨條紅線一樣咁彈性
There are so many ways to say :
“maybe women are able to open up more; but you as a man do not have to worry about this and that […1000 item list…]. ”
Patriarchy is the underlying system, but I find it unhelpful to brandish the term when talking to folks not exposed to gender theory at all.
If one aims to convince, yeah
Hot take: I despise single-dimensional line of analysis when talking to/abt specific individuals. Intersectionality should be the norm.
You mentioned a good point, these “fact” only exist and built from gender theory, but it is theory not fact, the mistake people are making is thinking gender theory is fact and everyone should know it. And even judging real world with a theroy, This is such an arrogant mistake.